Ahmed Quraishi
I have spent a long 10 years [1992-2002] covering Middle East politics on the ground in places like Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, among others. I have no doubt in my mind that Hizb al Tahrir is heavily infiltrated by British intelligence. In fact, in recent years, I have stumbled on more evidence that strengthens my personal belief in this. The Brits are using this group to the hilt. It's a strategic asset for them, nurtured and protected by them, and it is unfortunate that so many good intentioned British Muslims and others, including Pakistanis, and all of them young and impressionable, are attracted to this British organization. Several Mideastern countries caught irrefutable evidences linking Brit spies to this group. During the 1990s, there were some very harsh diplomatic confrontations between Saudi and British diplomats over this issue. The Saudis lashed out at the Brits and accused them of meddling in the region thru proxies in groups such as Hizb al Tahrir. One very senior Saudi prince went to the extent of accusing British intelligence of supporting extremism for strategic purposes. All this reasoning about Hizb al Tahrir growing in Central Asia and Indonesia is eyewash. This is a British organization and is fully supported by the British security establishment to penetrate Central Asia. I don't know anything about Indonesia so I will not comment on that part. Everyone is free to reach their conclusions but this is my studied opinion on this subject. I will advice young Muslim kids to be very alert and discerning about who is using you and for what purpose. Don't ever fall for poisoned honey. It's still sweet. But it's poison nonetheless.
Tariq Ahmed
I am not a spokesperson for Hizb ut Tahrir or anybody, but i follow the news, and believe muslims should break the shackles of the west, and restore Khilafah.
The British and US have no need to infiltrate pakistan, they already run it. We can all see how western policy has been persued by Musharaff and now more recently by others.
3000 western cia agents are allowed in...isnt that blatant infiltration ? isnt that a security issue ? contrast that with the order to purge Islamic ideas that may have "infiltrated" into the military. Strange, why would the west want islamic state ? they dont, and AQ argument is flawed see my next post.
Similarly the pro-US puppets in the military, the government, media , and business...
THESE ARE THE PLACES THE WEST HAS REALLY INFILTRATED, so its a diversion to focus on 1 or 2 sincere muslims in military that may hold pro-Islamic views on the ruling system of Islam - Khilafah.
This proves an order from the US has come to purge Islamists, or else.
This is the real topsy turvey agenda, and i am suprised at the military, the US intervention seems utterley complete.
Also let us look at the policy of Hizb ut Tahrir, they are working to restore Islamic Khilafah, so how does that serve the british interest ? it doesnt, and that is why the uk government would love to ban that. It seems Pakistan is doing that for them.
Tariq Ahmed
Now AQ argument is flawed on several points.
1. Actually Hizb ut Tahrir is not a foreign / british group as alleged- it IS a global pan-islamic group , and has pakistan wilayah as well. Also many expat pakistanis support it. So it is very strange for AQ to push this wrong assertion so far as he has.
2. HT does not seek mutiny, it only seeks consenus.
3. AQ argued that british mi6 has ordered infiltrated HT into the pakmil , so that they can leverage anti-nuke policy against pakistan. If mi6 infiltrated them at the peripehery, that was only to check out if HT was a non-violent political party. It found out that indeed this is the case, and reported it so.
So if the above facts are true, how could the british/ us now lever a false nuke security claim against pakistans military ?
To purge Islamists using this excuse is an indication that it is the military that is infiltrated by the USUK, and it is the military that is being manipulated by the usuk media into doing the 'dirty work' for them
4. previously AQ has mentioned that eg, OBL was assisted 'inside job' by pro-us faction in military, otherwise the us could not have evaded detection, someone helped them switch off the radar etc. So i would say to this, does that not concern him ? Does this not warrant arrest of those usuk agents ? isnt that a plot ?
Ahmed Quraishi
Dear Tariq,
Please stop distorting what I write. I never wrote anywhere that MI6 is using this British group Hiz al Tahrir to 'leverage anti-nuke policy', whatever that means.
You can't properly quote what I have written and are misquoting. The rest of your points are an emotional defense of HT. Brother, you are free to be a member of HT or support it. I as a very responsible person am telling you that HT is a British group heavily infiltrated by British intelligence. Most of the impressionable young British Muslims from various backgrounds, including Pakistanis, are honest people and don't know this fact. HT is is infiltrated by the Brits that Prince Turki al-Faisal, the son of Shah Faisal of Saudi Arabia and the former head of Saudi intelligence, accused the Brits of using the group for espionage in Central Asia. Pakistani intelligence also has evidences from several occasions that shows that this group, HT, has MI6 agents in its ranks.
Ahmed Quraishi
Anyway, I don't dispute your right to be impressed by this British group or follow it. I stand by my very considered opinion. Thanks.
Tariq Ahmed
It is crystal clear Brig Ali is a senior military figure - He was passed over for promotion because of his warning alerts against musharaf pro-US policy, he has been consistent in raising views INSIDE the pakmil against the 'pro-us' policies over the years. He was right to do that, he did it in th right way, but We ignored him, and look at the mess that has got us into. OBL, PNS base, drones, raymond davies, Dr Afia....we are at war with US in all but name.
Brig Ali Khan voiced the loyal pakistan/islamic concerns, so for Kayani to get him, is wrong, that act could be interpreted as an anti-pak, pro-us purge.
Re HTB, it could well be the case that british used them for spying purpose, i dont deny that...just like any highly active group, they could be utilised and harnessed by a secret agenda. If it has mi6 agents in its ranks why dont you expose them ? and in anycase, these alleged agents cannot divert the HT agenda so easily...when some of them tried they were expelled. HT is sincere Islamic group and you know it, for this reason they are bound to be targetted. What you have done is however present the whole thing as if HT is riddled with spies to such an extent to make it an enemy of pakistan ....when it is no such thing. You should not have put on this false impresion.
How would you like it if i claimed youre group has been compromised by cia / Indian agents, and Kayani was influenced by us interests etc ? Its very loose talk, that should be qualified.
In fact you yourself have said many a time pakistan is riddled with these foreign agents and agenda, and that we have to overcome them. So howcome you dismiss HT for that, and dont dismiss goverment ? why not do a coup then ?
Tariq Ahmed
Dear Ahmed, what do you say about the crackdown and kidnapping of HT brothers ?
I read this in gulf times
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=443066&version=1&template_id=41&parent_id=23
" professionals like engineers, doctors and educated youth, had been distributing leaflets, brochures and pasting stickers in public places calling for action over the past month.
The Hizb also launched a similar campaign when the US called for a full-scale military assault on North Waziristan, urging the people to resist. The Hizb-ul-Tahrir kept in touch with media outlets via SMS on the terrorist attack on the PNS Mehran in Karachi, accusing the US of masterminding the attack. It regularly issued press releases urging people to “topple the government (and clear it) of traitors, conspirators and the American agents”.
Ahmed Quraishi
I've heard or seen no such campaign, and I do have extensive contacts with likeminded young Pakistanis across the country. The only people who've been doing this are the Hizb Tahrir people. It's also strange that after the military showed concern about this British group trying to penetrate Pakistani military, the western media, and especially the Am-Brit media, is suddenly promoting this group and giving it more newspaper space and airtime.
Ahmed Quraishi
[THIS IS A COMMENT I POSTED SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THIS SAME TOPIC ON 11 JULY 2011]
The Hizb Tahrir may attract many innocent Muslim kids from various countries, including Pakistan.
But the fact remains that this is a British group that has nothing to do with the original Hizb al Tahrir created by a Palestinian professor in the early 20th century.
The current group was created in the UK sometime in late eighties and early nineties. It is heavily penetrated by British intelligence operatives who have been using the mostly British kids in this group [from various backgrounds; Arabs, Pakistanis, Africans, etc.] to meddle in Central Asia and more recently in Pakistan.
Arab countries are tougher than us when it comes to controlling things. They discovered many hard evidences of British MI6 operatives inside Hizb Tahrir. In fact, a former head of Saudi intelligence, who was the eldest son of King Faisal, confronted the British of this hard evidence. At one point Riyadh even threatened to cut off diplomatic relations with UK if MI6 didn't stop using young British Muslim kids to penetrate Saudi Arabia.
Pakistani intelligence also discovered this link a few years back when several young British-Pakistanis who claimed to belong to Islamic groups were found to be MI6 agents.
So, the question of this British group, Hizb al Tahrir, trying to penetrate Pakistani military, is very disturbing. It's important to note that whatever this group has been doing so far has not been very successful in Pakistan. It has had limited success and I doubt it really managed to 'penetrate' Pakistani military. Maybe a couple of midlevel officers here and there but nothing more.
Also, as country and a nation, we have every right to be suspicious of any and every foreign-based group that comes to us in the name of Islam. These foreign groups, like Hizb al Tahrir or Al-Qaeda or whatever, are outside of our watch and we can't be sure who they represent and how much their own internal security is compromised.
Malik Subhani
Ahmad Bhai : Thanks for providing such great information. I think we should be alert and continue watching them carfully. These guys are under the confirmed state of mind that they are the only ones on true Path and others who ever oppose them are in Kufer/Munafqat/Gumrahi and they misguiding most of the youth with their false interpretation of Quran wa Sunnah. would you please check the basic believes of their Founder by the link i am providing here,
http://www.alsunna.org/The-uprising-of-Hizb-at-Tahrir-Extremists.html
..........
Ahmad Imran
We can come back to fiqh and fiqr later , but can someone give us tangible links of HuT to MI5/6 the Brits etc ....saying so doesnt make it so !
I want rational tangible links ....names, events, dates !
The HuT decry on the other hand that the Brits have falsely tried to implicae them by sending people under cover , but regardless , they maybe part of Grand British Tactic ( well who hasnt been in Pakistan...the Bhuttos ( British Trotskiyites), etc !
Tariq Ahmed
re Malik Subhani ilong text...Hatred and effort against muslim Ummah and HT has long existed often exploiting ignorance, misinformation etc. I was eager to answer the first few alleged HT "strayings" because even i could easily do that...but then i quickly realised the insincere fake intelectuall argument was riddled all the way through, and frankly one of them really made me angry...and so it does not deserve any credible attention....To me its a sign that the enemies of Islam sense an Islamic awakening.
Malik Subhani
Bro Tariq saheb ; I picked this Artical from
www.alsunna.org and i hope that you must have something to say/reply to this because differentiating with the believes of ahle sunna would result otherway......there could be doubts, differences on the mathodology but differences in basic believes would never be tolarated by the majority of Muslims Ummah....I am surprised and by the refferences of Sheik's described believes in his written book more then anyother issues related to HT which also make me curiouse alot...
Tariq Ahmed
Dear Ahmed bhai, you are wrong to claim the western media is giving HT attention, i really know for a fact they never give HT airtime that reflects the support in the community, or to present their ideas... in fact quite the reverse. But they do always portray them negatively as "extremists", wheeling out westernised secular "muslim" extremists to help bash Islam / HT....no real Islamic group has done that, only the westernised agents have. The west have tried to fit them up with false allegations many times...but they failed as there is no truth in that.
In anycase your false allegation of uk spying via HT, only assists the western anti-islamic agenda. Maybe this was an excuse with which to demonise HT brothers ?
Dont you think you already have enough open spies in the Zardari agent regime, and in the pro--us military ? kidnapping and making them illegal would make more sense wouldnt it ?
HT only calls for Islam, and Islamic Ruling...In fact its your allegation that assists the western global capitalist enslavement, as they will do anything to prevent Islamic Rule
You also imply the alleged western media is linked with them somehow..so give us the link that "promotes" HT agenda ... ? give us this proof of yours please ?
Ahmad Imran
gentlemen ....am still waiting for tangible "evidence" of HuT links to UK !
Tariq Ahmed
oh yes, and another thing - Ahmed bhai and his helpers thought i was an Indian spy -
how paranoid and insecure is that... !
just because i did not agree that terror state India was so stupid with a"a brain of a mouse". That was just shallow diversion to me. But i didnt know Ahmed bhai was a first line spinner then, i was merely making a real discussion. It seems everytime anyone discusses pakistan trying to improve it, Ahmed bhai has to divert the issue and let the people vent against India, claiming everything is hunky dory, when it is clear as daylight the terrorist indians had protectionist policy whilst paklistan had a for sale sign @ 10% policy. I reckon they publically diss the US, but private;y deal with them
This system of Ahmed bhai fits in neatly with blaming HT as britsh doesnt it...?..frankly i dont think many people will believe this excuse for the crackdown. I reckon its an order from US to get rid of Islamists before US will pay up, otherwise they will replace their front men.
I do hope those HT brothers are being treated well, and released soon, i hope Ahmed bhai would at least do all he could to assist.
Wasalaam to you AQ brother...no harm intended.
Malik Subhani
Tariq Bhai : I am not divertting my Question if then you too dont divert your answers for me.....tell me about HIZB founders Book and qouted unaccepted believes of Shiekh AnNibahani regarding who is the creator of right or wrong ACT. Waiting
Tariq Ahmed
I have read about the abduction of HT deputy spokesperson Imran Yousafzai on their website. presumably by the isi/pakmil under orders from usa....?
This raises a two or three questions -
1. why abduct an innocent HT young man who is only calling for Islamic law ?
2. why release raymond davis who killed muslims ?
Ahmed bhai has been quiet on this, so iwill ask him directly ...
3 Does he approve of this abduction of Imran Yousafzai or not... YES or NO ?
Ahmad Imran
am telling you ....ISI is the fifth column of Pak governence ...plain and simple. Maybe not the entire org. but a strategic vital component of it ....and they rule Pakistan for teh vested interests of foreign powers ! Hail the ISI ....never question them ....never ...just so the debauched system can continue !
Tariq Ahmed
I am still waiting for a an answer YES or NO, as i read that another HT member was abducted -- Is this a deafening silence speaking Volumes ?
Ahmad Imran
Secualar nationalists ?? eh ? anyone ??:-)
Abu Yousef
Dear Malik Subhani,
You have mentioned quite a few straying for HT, and it would be hard to tackle all of them at the same time. Insha allah I would like to come to each of them one by one so can get a better understanding. The first straying you have mentioned is in regards actions and as to the creation of the actions and if a person is comitting these actions on his own behalf or by the will of Allah.
I will refer to the first book Nizam...which explains in detail regarding this concept. As you will read below the puropse was to clarify the misconception regarding this in terms to Qadaa and Qadar.
Below I have provided the text from the book, to clarify your first misconception.
Al-QaDaa wal Qadar
In surat at-Tauba, He _ says:
"Say: Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us. He is our Protector and in Allah, let the believers place their trust." [At-Tauba: 51]
In surat Sabaa, He _ says:
"From Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth, nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but it is in the Clear Record." [Saba: 3]
In surat al-Anaam, He _ says:
"He it is Who gathers you at night and knows that which you commit by day. Then He raises you again to life, that the term appointed (for you) may be fulfilled. And afterward unto Him is your
return and He will show you the truth of all that you did." [Al-An’am: 60]
In surat an-Nisa, He _ says:
"If some good befalls them, they say: This is from Allah. But if evil, they say: This is from you (OProphet). Say: All things are from Allah. But what has come to these people, that they fail to understand a single fact?" [An-Nisa: 78]
These ayat of the Qur'an, and other ayat similar in meaning, are used by many as evidences in the question of QaDaa and Qadar. They take the understanding from these that man is compelled to undertake actions; man undertakes his actions under compulsion through the decree and will of Allah; and that Allah, created man and his actions. They try to support their opinion by the saying of Allah:
"But Allah has created you and your handiwork!" [As-Saffat: 96]
They also support their point with the hadeeth of the Prophet _, such as:
"The Holy Spirit inspired in my soul that nobody will pass away until they receive in full their livelihood, term of life (ajal), and what is decreed for them."
The question of QaDaa and Qadar has occupied a great deal of discussion amongst the Islamic schools of thought. Ahlus Sunnah held the opinion which in summary is man has Kasb Ikhtiari (free will) in carrying out his actions, so he is accounted because of this Kasb Ikhtiari. Al-Mu'tazilah were of the opinion that man is the one who creates his actions and so he is accounted on them because it is he who initiated them.
Al-Jabriyah held the opinion that Allah, is the one who creates man and his actions, therefore man is compelled to carry out his actions and does not have free will, so he is like the feather which floats in the air according to where the wind carries it.
If one was to come to an accurate understanding of the subject of al-QaDaa wal Qadar he must first have an understanding of the correct basis upon which the argument is built. This basis should not be whether the actions of man are created by himself or by Allah. It is also not the knowledge of Allah (ilmullah), in terms of the fact that He knows that man will perform such an action and that His knowledge encompasses it. Nor is it the decree of Allah (iraadatullah) in terms that His decree was related to the servant's action, i.e., that the action must happen because of this will. It also shouldn't be that the servant's action is recorded in the Al Lauh Al MahfooTH (Protected Decree or Register), so as a result he is inevitably going to carry out this action in accordance with what is recorded.
Indeed, the basis upon which the subject is built is neither of these matters, since they have no relationship to the subject in terms of reward and punishment. They are rather related to the subject in terms of creation, the knowledge that encompasses everything and the will of the Creator, which is related to all the possible matters, and the inclusion in Al Lauh Al MahfooTH of everything. This relationship is detached from the subject of reward and punishment for the action. In other words, is man compelled to perform an action, good or bad, or does he have a choice? And does man have the choice to perform an action or abandon it? Or does he not have the choice?
Any individual who studies the actions of man accurately will observe that man lives within two spheres: one of them he dominates, which is the sphere that falls within the domain of his free will and within it, his actions, which he carries out by his own free will occur. The other sphere dominates him and it is the sphere within whose domain he lives and within it the actions, which he has no free will in, occur; whether they occur from him or not.
In regards to the actions that fall within the sphere that dominates man, man has nothing to do with them or in their existence. They can be divided into two types: A type which is required by the law of the universe (wujood), and a type within which actions that are beyond man's control, but are not within the law of the universe (wujood). As far as the actions, which are within the laws of the universe (wujood), man is in complete submission to them. Therefore, he is forced to proceed in accordance with them because he proceeds with the universe and life subject to a particular law that does not change. Subsequently, man's actions in this sphere occur without his will and he is compelled and has no choice. Man came to this life without his will and he shall leave it without his will. He cannot fly in the air with his body only, walk in his natural being on water, nor create the colour of his eyes. Man did not produce shape of his head nor the size of his body. Indeed, it was Allah Who created all of this without the created servant having any say in that. This is because Allah created the law of the universe (wujood), made it the regulator of the universe, and made the universe proceed in accordance to it, without being able to function differently.
As for the actions, which are beyond man's control, which he is unable to avoid and they are not within the laws of the universe, they are the actions which man initiates, or they fall on him against his will without him ever being able to avoid them.
Examples of such actions are, if someone on a wall accidentally falls on a person and thus kills that person; or if someone shoots at a bird and the shot hits a person he was not aware of and kills him; or if a car goes off the road or a train derails, or a plane crashes. All of these are due to, an unexpected failure without any ability on the part of the pilot or the driver to avoid the accident, thus causing the death of the passengers. All of these examples of actions and the like which occurred from man or fell on him, are not within the law of the universe, yet they occurred from man or on him without his will and it was beyond his ability to control them. All of these actions, which occur within the sphere that dominates man, are termed QaDaa, because Allah alone is the one who has predetermined them. Therefore, man is not reckoned about these actions, whether they are classified as beneficial, or harmful, or whether he liked or disliked them - though Allah alone knows the good and bad in these actions - because man has no influence on them. He has no information about them or the manner in which they came about; nor is he able to drive them away or avoid them at all. Man thus must believe in this QaDaa and that this QaDaa is from Allah.
As for Qadar, it is evident that the actions, which occur either in the sphere that dominates man or in the sphere that man dominates, occur involving objects in the universe, man and life. Allah created certain attributes in these objects. For example, He created in fire the attribute of burning, in wood the attribute of catching fire, and in the blade the attribute of cutting. He made the attributes indispensable in objects according to the law of the universe such that they do not change. When it appears that an attribute changes, it means Allah has eliminated the attribute of that object and such an event would be unnatural. These are miracles that happen to the Prophets. As Allah created attributes in the objects, He created in man instincts and organic needs. He created in the instincts and organic needs specific attributes. Hence, He created in the instinct of reproduction the attribute of sexual inclination. He created in the organic needs attributes such as hunger and thirst and the like. He made these attributes inseparable from them according to the law of the universe. These particular attributes that Allah has created in objects, instincts and organic needs are called al-Qadar. This is because Allah alone created the objects, instincts, and organic needs and predetermined (Qaddara) in them their attributes. These attributes are not brought about by the objects nor does man have anything to do with them nor an influence on their existence. Therefore, man must have iman that it is Allah who has predetermined these attributes in objects. However, these attributes have the capacity for man to perform by means of utilising them an action either according to the commands of Allah and thus it is good, or contradicting His commands and thus it is bad. So when performing actions utilising objects with their attributes or in responding to the instincts and organic needs, if (these actions) were according to the commands and prohibitions of Allah they would be termed good actions, and would be termed bad actions if they were in disagreement to the commands and prohibitions of Allah.
Accordingly, all actions - good or bad - that occur within the sphere that dominates man are from Allah. All the attributes of objects and in the instincts and organic needs - whether resulting in good or bad - are also from Allah. Consequently, a Muslim must believe that QaDaa - good or bad - is from Allah, i.e. he should believe that actions beyond his sphere of influence are from Allah. He must also believe that Qadar - good or bad - is from Allah i.e. he must believe that the innate attributes of the objects are from Allah, whether they result in good or bad, and man, the created has no effect on them. Thus man's lifespan (ajal), provision (rizq), and soul (ruH) are all from Allah On the same token, the sexual inclination, and inclination towards ownership existing in the instincts of reproduction and survival, together with thirst and hunger, existing in the organic needs, are all from Allah.
This is in respect to the actions that occur within the sphere that dominates man and the attributes of all objects. As for the sphere that man dominates, it is the sphere in which he proceeds freely according to the system he chooses, whether it is the law of Allah (Shari’ah) or any other. This is the sphere in which the actions that emanate from man or fall upon him, occur with his free will. For example, he walks, eats, drinks and travels, whenever he likes. Likewise, he refrains from doing any of these actions whenever he likes. He also burns with fire and cuts with a knife when he chooses. He satisfies the instincts of reproduction and ownership and hunger of his stomach, as he likes. He freely performs that or abstains from it. Therefore, man is reckoned on these actions, which he performs within this sphere.
Though the attributes in objects, instincts, and organic needs, which Allah predetermined in them and also made them intrinsic have an affect on the outcome of the action, their attributes by themselves do not initiate action, it is man who initiates the action when using them. Hence, the sexual inclination in the instinct of reproduction has the potential for good and bad; and the hunger present in the organic need has the potential for good and bad. However, the one who performs actions that are good or bad is man and not the instinct or the organic need. This is because Allah created for man the mind that comprehends and He gave the mind the quality of comprehension and judgement. He also guided man to know the path of good and bad.
"And we showed him (the man) the two paths (of good and bad)." [Al-Balad: 10]
Allah also created in man the ability to comprehend vice and righteousness.
"And He inspired it as to its wrong (fujoor) and its right (taqwa)." [Ash-Shams: 8]
When man responds to his instincts and organic needs in a manner agreeing with the commands and prohibitions of Allah, then he performs the good action and proceeds in the path of righteousness. When he responds to the instincts and organic needs deviating from the commands and prohibitions of Allah, then he performs the bad action and proceeds in the path of vice. Therefore, in all of that, the good and bad emanate from man. He responds to the needs according to the commands and prohibitions of Allah and thus does good, or responds to them deviating from Allah's commands and prohibitions and thus does bad. Consequently man is reckoned on his actions, which occur in the sphere that he dominates, thus he is either rewarded or punished because he has undertaken those actions freely without any coercion. Although the attributes of the instincts and organic needs are from Allah, and their potential for good and bad is also from Allah, Allah didn't fashion the attribute in a manner that forces man to use it, whether in a way that pleases or displeases Allah i.e. in good or bad. Likewise the attribute of burning was not fashioned in a manner that compels man to burn anything, whether this pleases or displeases Allah i.e. in good or bad. Rather, these attributes are fashioned in the objects, instincts, and organic needs, in a way that they result in these attributes when anybody uses these matters (objects, instincts and organic needs) in the proper manner. When Allah created man with his instincts, organic needs, and the mind, He endowed him with the choice to carry out or abstain from an action. Allah did not compel him to carry out or to abstain from the action. Furthermore, He did not make the attributes of the objects, instincts and organic needs in a manner that compels man to carry out or abstain from an action. Man is therefore free, to perform or abstain from an action by the use of what He granted him of the distinguishing mind, and He made it the place of shar’ai responsibility. Accordingly, Allah will reward man for performing the good because his mind chose to perform actions according to the commands of Allah and abstain from His prohibitions. He would also punish him for performing the bad actions because his mind chose to disobey the commands of Allah and do what He prohibited by responding to his instincts and organic needs in a way contrary to the orders of Allah. Therefore, man's accountability is right and just, because he is free to carry out his action and is not compelled. In this question, the QaDaa and Qadar is irrelevant. It is rather to do with man carrying out his actions freely and therefore he is responsible for his actions.
Allah _, says:
"Every soul is a pledge for what it earned" [Al-Muddaththir: 38]
As for the knowledge of Allah (ilmullah), this does not force man to carry out an action. Allah knows that man is going to freely undertake an action. To carry out this action is not based on the knowledge of Allah, rather, the eternal knowledge of Allah means that He knows that man is going to carry out the action. With regards to "the writing in the Al-Lauh al-MahfooTH, it is an expression that the knowledge of Allah encompasses everything.
With regards to the will of Allah (iraadatullah), this does not compel man to carry out any action. Its meaning, however, is that nothing can take place in His Kingdom without His will, i.e. nothing takes place against His will. Thus, if man carried out an action and Allah did not prevent or compel him from doing so, and instead left him to act freely, without any compulsion, then man has acted by the will of Allah and not contrary to His will. Man's action was undertaken by himself and by his choice, and the will of Allah did not compel him to carry out the action.
This is the issue of al QaDaa wal Qadar which will drive man to do good and avoid bad when he realises that Allah is watching him and will account him (for his actions); and that He has endowed him with the choice to act or abstain; and if he does not choose the right actions, he will be severely reprimanded and punished.
Therefore, we find the true believer, who understands sincerely the concept of al QaDaa wal Qadar and who is fully acquainted with the mental faculties and choice that Allah has endowed him with, is very conscious in observing Allah's orders and being afraid of Him. He endeavours to comply with the commands of Allah and to abstain from the prohibitions, because of his fear of the punishment of Allah _, his desire to be in His Jannah, and his yearning in attaining that which is greater than all of this, namely the pleasure of Allah (RiDwan Allah).
Whenever the level of thinking declines, the patriotic bond (raabitah al wataniyyah) amongst people arises, due to them living in one land and being attached to it. The survival instinct drives them to defend themselves, the country they live in and the land they live off. Hence the patriotic bond arises. This patriotic bond is the weakest and lowest level of bonds. It is present amongst animals and birds as well as human beings. It manifests itself in an emotional way. It comes about in the event of a foreign aggression against the homeland, either when attacked or occupied. The patriotic bond has no effect when the homeland is safe from aggression. It ceases when the foreigner is repelled or banished from the homeland. Therefore, this bond is of a low level.
Moreover, when the thinking level is narrow, a nationalistic bond (raabitah qawmiyyah) arises. It is a family bond though in a broader sense. This is because when the survival instinct becomes deeply rooted in the individual, love of dominance appears in him.
This love of dominance is individualistic in the man of low intellect. However, as the awareness of an individual broadens his love of dominance widens, thus he considers the dominance of his family. Once his awareness has broadened and widened, he considers the dominance of his people in his homeland. Once this is achieved he considers their dominance over all other peoples. Therefore, due to this aspect local feuds arise amongst the members of the family. Hence, once the dominance within the family is settled then the feud transfers to a feud between his family and other
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Ahmed Quraishi wrote :
"This is a British organization and is fully supported by the British security"
"I have no doubt in my mind that Hizb al Tahrir is heavily infiltrated by British intelligence."
"Mideastern countries caught irrefutable evidences linking Brit spies to this group."
"I have spent a long 10 years [1992-2002] covering Middle East politics on the ground in places like Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, among others."
1- Is this a polical analysis or news or advice or what !
2- If they are a british organization why would they hire spies to watch them ? :)
3- Where is your advice to the people who are already with this group ?
to kick the spies that you know about out ? to start another organization since their goals seem to be honorable ?
4- Can we take the "irrefutable evidences " that stated without showing us anything from the puppet agent governments in the mideast as an advice or evidence or what?
5- If you follow 1 month and not 10 years of news you would know that this group you are attacking is more public and popular outside the countries you covered for. So your coverage about syria,lebanon,jordan doesn't qualify your article to be an analysis or news or advice.
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Malik Subhani,
Don't copy paste from AICP literature.
Bring one point at a time and we can discuss
Abu Yousef
Ahmed Quraishi,
1. You mentioned that the British HT has nothing to do with the original HT.
Is there any official statement from the original HT that disassociated them selves from the British HT? Is there any change in work or ideology that makes one say that they have deviated from the original HT? On what basis is this assumption built??
2. You mentioned that it is heavily penetrated by British inteligence.
Is there any evidence for this claim? On the contrary David Cameron has been trying to ban HT in UK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1TzRBOoRhA
HT has been clear in its literature and in their ground work, regarding establishing Islam as a system on the foot steps of the Prophet (PBUH). Their ideas and concepts are in clear conflict with the western ideology. Their work is not promoting democracy or capitalism as an ideology. Through your research and study what actions of HT led you to believe that British or their foreign policies are benefiting from HT work? I think this question has been raised before on this threaded discussion to provide evidence linking them to British spies.
3. You mentioned Head of Saudi intelligence, who was the eldest son of King Faisal, confronted the British of this hard evidence. At one point Riyadh even threatened to cut off diplomatic relations with UK if MI6 didn't stop using young British Muslim kids to penetrate Saudi Arabia.
I don’t see any thing in this statement that points HT to be British agents. Even taking this statement as is, British Muslim kids penetrating Saudi Arabia don’t equate to HT members.
Currently HT is leading the charge in unifying the Ummah under one flag, and establishing a society that is built on Islamic sharia. You your self have admitted that Khilafah will come as it has been promised. Shouldn’t more care be taken in accusing them without providing hard facts, and effecting people’s mentality with negative perception?
Ahmed Quraishi
Dear Abu Yousef,
Your argument is only intended at discrediting me. You are basically trying to defend this British group in an indirect way.
That's fine by me. But please do not pose questions which can be easily answered by looking at the history of this British group. Hizb al Tahrir as created by a Palestinian man who received his education at al-Azhar in early 20th century died long back. His group almost died with him, maintaining limited presence in Sharia schools in Palestine, Jordan and partially Lebanon.
The group created in the UK in the 1990s is something totally different. This is what I mean when I say the existing Hizb al Tahrir is a British group that has nothing to do with the one created by the Palestinian man some 70 years ago. The only similarity is the name and the fact that this British group is using the original group's literature.
I know that a majority of the members of the British Hizb al Tahrir are noble and sincere people and I do not automatically consider them to be British agents. Not at all.
All I am saying is that I personally, in all honesty and keeping the interests of Muslims foremost, can confidently say that this group is penetrated by British intelligence who are using it for their own purposes in specific places like some Central Asian republics and also in western China. And nowadays in Pakistan. As a Pakistani citizen, I cannot accept that a British group try to create a following inside Pakistani government and military in the name of Islam. That's not permissible at all.
Abu Yousef
Dear Ahmed,
My intention is not to discredit you. I have read some of your posts, and see that you are a concerned citizen who brings relevant topics to discussion in order to establish common consensus to unite the people and change the state of the country. However I do think that you view on HT is not objective, and I am not saying this to defend the group in an indirect way, nor to steer it into an argument. I think any opinion should be based on an intellectual rational and discussion.
My main objection is that your whole perspective of this group is built on the hypothesis that the group is British agent. However you have not provided the facts that establish their relations with the British Government and spy agency. It is a well known fact that they are strong in UK and work openly. But so is true of them in Australia and USA, and does not establish their connection to UK. Do you have any evidence that the current HT has deviated from the original call and method since its inception. Based on their literature or open leaf-lets what has changed that lead you to think that they are linked with Britain.
You mentioned not to pose questions that can be easily answered by looking at the history of the British group. HT have media offices and spokesperson in different countries and continents. Are you tying them all under the British HT leadership? And I am still unable to find any thing credible in their history, literature or on the web that reaches the same conclusion as yours.
This is what Former Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Mirza Aslam Beg had to say about HT….
The former COAS said the HT is purely a non-violent organization which neither forces its agenda nor plans to do so. “Their people want the implementation of Shariah through a convincing mechanism and their books, some of them I have read, are a research work.”
“I told their people, when I was in command and even after leaving the command, that their system of Shariah is possible to be implemented in Pakistan provided the Constitution of Pakistan, based on Quran and Sunnah, and it (their system) has coherence.”
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=54070&Cat=2&dt=6%2F23%2F2011
Although as I mentioned, any one who has read their literature will objectively come to conclusion that their goals are completely contrary to British foreign policy. But to provide further evidence so as to prove that I am not trying to promote HT but to clear the facts; I am listing analysis from western think tanks that assume Hizb to be a threat and have studied them and other International News Media. They still don’t draw the same conclusion as you have.
•Below is the research by Heritage Foundation: Hizb ut-Tahrir: An Emerging Threat to U.S. Interests in Central Asia
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2003/05/Hizb-ut-Tahrir-An-Emerging-Threat-to-US-Interests-in-Central-Asia
•This is an analysis by GlobalSecurity.org : Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami (Islamic Party of Liberation)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hizb-ut-tahrir.htm
•This was on CNN World: Arrest of Pakistani officer revives fears of extremism within military
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-22/world/pakistan.extremism_1_pakistani-army-pakistani-court-pakistani-officer?_s=PM%3AWORLD
•This is on Jerusalem Post: Hizb Ut-Tahrir
http://www.jpost.com/topic/Hizb_ut-Tahrir
Hence as you mentioned…keeping interests of all Muslims, you will clarify your comments with credible evidence that HT is penetrated by British, and are being used? What is the objection that you have in their method and ideology? How is establishing an Islamic state in interest of Western Powers?
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So we have 2 HTs ? one that "almost died" with the founder and one that was created by the british in the 90's ?
THat does not make sense for the following
1- The leadership in the hizb is from the pre 50's generation and not from the 90's generation :)
2- We do see different explanation of the literature between the pre 90 and 90s generation.If you talk with an 80's year old HT member is like talking with a 30 year old member
3- We do not see any change in the goal from the 50's till now.
4- We do not see any change in the methodology of this party from the 50's till now.
You mentioned that the british are using them in central asia, and china and oakistan for their interests. So Britain is creating an islamic group calling for a Caliphate so they can get the oil in central asia or kick the american's out from pakistan ?
Since you studied in UAE under Azhar and other Ulama s, don't you know that " Albayyenah 3la man 2dda3a" " The proof is upon the person who claims "
One person replied to you with links and artciles supporting his saying.
What is your proof for all your accusations?
If I say you are a british agent or spy, I have to bring the proof for my saying. Right ?
